I think Kenobi killing him would be the ultimate Kenobi fanboy tissue wad. 2 #5) It's not real though. This is prime Dooku and Vader we're talking about, both who could give him a good fight on their own or at least hold him off. A half-decent fighter and force user will fill the gap between him and Sidious and in this battle, he gets two of them. Being a top padawan doesn't mean a Jedi will be a power house because I'm sure there were many top padawans throughout the thousands of years of the Jedi's existence (the Sith as well), but that doesn't mean they'd become an Anakin Skywalker or Sheev Palpatine. But what I would consider a judging feat here, is the fact that Maul fought and defeated Obi Wan at least two times by now. I doubt it.Maybe Palps intervention hit him unexpected, just as Sidious force choke come unexpected to Dooku.I never denied, that Palpatine was still his superior.He was superior in the forceHe could expose his vulerability too force lightingHe had the final command of every force in the empire. 1) Kanan agrees to split the group up, and he does so because Maul is the strongest, which is what the franchise wants us to know, or, 2) Kanan agrees to split the group up, and he does or does not agree to do so because Maul is the strongest even though the franchise wants us to know that Maul is, or. The whole point of sources like starwars.com is they outline what happened in the episode. Vsder wins eventually. Yet, even with all of his severed limbs and severe burns, he never suffered the indignity of being cut in half and falling down a reactor shaft as did Darth Maul at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi. I do love the idea of Ahsoka being a powerful character. Ahsoka was only 16 even by the end of tcw. Darth Maul was a Force-sensitive male Dathomirian Zabrak Dark Lord of the Sith who lived during the waning years of the Galactic Republic and during the early years of the reign of the Empire. However neither Dooku or Vader are getting killed as quickly as Savage individually, and they have each other to prevent Sids from killing anyone before Maul wakes up to fight again. "Would" means they would have actually done it. 0. Force wise Maul and Vader are very similar. But as maul is indeed a potential enemy who they even had fight ahsoka, the quote indesputably applies to him. Kanan doesn't agree with maul, he accepts ezra's judgement despite disagreeing with maul. Seemingly dead, the … No one thought an 874 year old Yoda would have beaten an 80 year old Tyranus, either. Darth Maul vs Darth Vader Thread starter Sanguíne Symphony Start date May 26, 2016 Status Not open for further replies. 5 Reasons That Darth Vader Is Obi-Wan Kenobi’s Greatest Enemy (And 5 That It’s Darth Maul) Obi-Wan Kenobi was one of the most important Jedi to ever live, and he made quite a few enemies throughout his life, including Vader and Maul. @void_reborn: I think it is possible that something bad could happen to Maul, based off of how easily Sids KOed him in order to deal with Savage. But being a team of 3 secures the victory. Maul on the other hand started screaming when a less powerful version of sidious's lightning was set only to "torture mode". I dogged the book because of its terrible characterization and it glossing over potentially interesting stories like ahsoka's reunion with anakin, ahsoka liberating mandalore, saving rex, or facing the concept of family vs jedi attachment, for a vastly less interesting story imo. They are both sith force wielders who can not or do not use force lightning, but rather focus on using the force to buff their body or for telekinetic attacks. This isn't open for interpretation, whether you like it or not, Ahsoka is>rebels maul. **New Episodes Every Wednesday! Vader if you count the extended stuff. Thats because Anakin was hindered, on even ground kenobi admitted anakin was going to kill him and anakin almost broke his arms. Het verhaal bevat bijna uitsluitend actie met een pagina's lang gevecht, waarbij tegelijk veel aandacht wordt besteed aan de juiste woorden om de onderlinge haat uit te drukken. Regardless starwars.com is a secondary source, if its contradicts a canon primary source it serves a sa guide for, this obviously invalidates the contradictory claim it makes. Vader & Maul are more than enough to bridge the gap -- team fodderizes. "Yes...my Master," Vader gasped, feeling an icy stab of dread in his soul, as the Emperor's mocking chuckle still echoed in his mind. Now considering this is framed as to how ahsoka can be used, you can argue that as ben kenobi and yoda would never be fighting ahsoka and that feloni wouldn't be considering if they should have ahsoka fight fellow lightsiders, the quote may not apply to them. Although his only major appearance in the movies was in The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul left a lasting impression on audiences. Sheev brought Vader to his knees from across the galaxy. In sabers, only Dooku can keep up with Sidious in a combination of speed and skill. But on this day, he had met his match. A prime Maul vs PSV would be a good fight because PSV would be more powerful than Maul, but Maul's martial skills would surpass PSV's. 2015-07-25 - Darth Maul (TCW) vs. Count Dooku - Battles - Comic Vine Więcej informacji Tego Pina i nie tylko znajdziesz na tablicy Star Wars użytkownika Gascogne . Darth Maul: 6 per cent 5. Grand Admiral Thrawn: 6 per cent 4. Lucas has stated that vader was like maul in that he can't surpass sidious, that doesn't put them on the same level. Dooku would have to carry Vader's baggage (his clumsy suit, which while it became much less of a hindrance after ANH and even long before it, was still a pretty sizeable problem for him) and try and stop Maul from temporarily stunning him and/or Vader and quickly finishing off Maul at the same time. But I can agree as far as he wouldn't go instantly down and I also agree with the general outcome of the duel. At first he is reluctant but reluctantly does it anyway, but how and why he agrees doesn't matter since there are multiple ways people will decide to intepretate this and argue about it. (followed by scrn cap). You did follow up with "If it does, well then that's, that," but do you really believe that considering Filoni has kinda sorta contradicted himself in other interviews? He reluctantly allows ezra to go, but per the sw.com quote, kanan agrees with maul about splitting up the group. Ahsoka vs vader was being teased before they'd even decided to bring maul back. Basically the only chance Sids would have here is to rely on poor teamwork and potentially play them against one another inadvertently, both of which have been removed as options due to perfect teamwork. Do you not see how you contradict yourself? Dress du Jour: Daisy Ridley Is a Star in Chanel Kylo Ren Star Wars Drawing 1 Kylo Ren, the lightsaberwielding villain in Star W... Star Wars Saga Characters Star Wars Anakin He had been resurrected by the Dark Side acolytes, hence the name of the story. You really have no idea what you're talking about do you? Your "points" might work on Youtube comment sections, but not here. Non-tiered means that there is no primary and secondary source. Back to the OP, Vader > Maul more times than not. "By ''confrontation'' its obvious that Filoni meant a one-on-one duel, so it means that the whole arc was about the Vader vs. Maul duel. Maul is in his prime here. At best, I'd give him 6.5 or 7 rounds out of 10 as of ROTS. You could have joined me and together... we could have destroyed the Emperor and ruled the galaxy in his place. This is a little bit inside, but Maul wasn’t meant to survive the Malachor episode. He clearly states that Maul was his superior: "Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the most able swordsmen in the Jedi order. And no, TPM Kenobi cheap-shotted him when Maul underestimated him, even a force rage amped TPM Kenobi was outclassed by TPM Maul in the actual duel. Posted: (8 months ago) I decided to mix the comic of Darth Vader vs Darth Maul with Duel of the Fates. '', Source : http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/07/18/star-wars-celebration-2016-maul-originally-was-going-to-die-in-rebels-season-2-finale. Even if it is stated, it's not saying much considering there weren't a lot of padawans post-Anakin. He has to work for it, but he wins. That applies even to old canon/legends. @redheathen: Its not an actual response. In this scenario, he get two considerable fighter at his side. If it was just sabers maul takes it but not as easily as most think. You don't get to dismiss feloni's word because you don't like the idea of ahsoka being a powerful character. I'd appreciate a link. I mean, by my point of view, Vader without any hinderance would already take enough of Sidious attention, that either Maul or Dooku could make the difference. Dooku had no reason to betray Sidious then. Without the Plot relevance, it could go either way. It's obvious that he was lying. Anakin’s more powerful than post rotj luke. ), and who was CUT IN HALF and survived. In all honesty Maul is not even needed but his presence here makes it highly favorable for the trio. I'm happy to concede if it is officially stated that she is the top padawan, or maybe not. Which puts them in a same group. When Darth vader is given a half-decent fighter at his side, the duo could take on Sidious. 12 years ago. @breakofdawn: So you have no rebuttal to anything I said, cool I'll take that as a concession ;). If I remember correctly, I think that is even discussed in an interview - something about Ezra being tempted to the Dark Side... You do not prove how it is factually inaccurate, The quote says kanan agrees to split the group,this never happens. Filoni uses the word "only" when describing who "in the time period" can match Ahsoka, so that should include everyone in the galaxy during that time period, which includes Obi-Wan, Vos, you name it. Maybe I'll tweet Filoni later and see if he answers, or maybe one of you can if you're interested. I honestly think they are similar in feats at this point. Filoni said that in season 2 Maul wasn't supposed to survive Malachor, and that it was supposed to be about Vader confronting and killing Maul. No, thanks. It should have been followed by a conjunction such as "and" or not used at all and instead replaced with a period or a semicolon. Kanan or Ahsoka, didn't say a word when Maul said ''its the logical choice'', because they couldn't. Overall, Maul is a well trained powerful Sith Lord who fought and defeated numerous jedi masters including Vader's master. While the novels and comics of the Expanded Universe added more to his story, it was Dave Filoni's Star Wars: The Clone Wars that truly brought the former Dark Lord of the Sith back to the forefront of a galaxy far, far away. Maul is ragdoll tier for Sidious. If we are going to take that statement literally, then there shouldn't be any qualifying it with "Imperials.". Maul to Vader? Seeing as how a pre prime Maul could make Sidious work for it in sabers, all of them can keep pace with Sidious. Today on Variant Arris puts Darth Vader against Darth Maul. And Emperor can do much more than ''dealing'' with her by being highly superior to even Vader. In this scenario, he get two considerable fighter at his side. Check out individual issues, and find out how to read them! A pity, my son, he thought. Well yes but that has something to do with the overall lack of force users at this time period. -Kanan : And let me guess, Ezra goes with you? Vader <--- definitely defeating Maul, but it is close and a good fight. Darth Maul vs Darth Vader Thread starter Sanguíne Symphony; Start date May 26, 2016; Status ... if you compare the old obi wan vs old vader fight to the young versions you will obviously see why youngs>>>>>olds . @king-ragnar: Eh, I agree that pre-TFU/ANH, ESB or ROTJ Vader would do a lot better than his TFU/ANH counterpart, but I don't think he can cope with Sidious' level of speed and agility when even Yoda and Mace were giving it everything they had to defeat him. And for the record I think Maul would beat Ahsoka. ROTS Sidious has a level of speed that is going to be really hard for the trio to keep up with, given that Anakin struggled to even perceive Mace and Sidious fighting and he can see Relativistic space ships with clarity. It's very well explained. The show itself makes it clear that Maul > Ahsoka by claiming that Maul is the best (and logical) choice to protect Ezra, moreso than Ahsoka. Does not matter, as feloni was not talking exclusively about imperials, this point is moot. 0. Dave Filoni : ''Malachor arc, originally, was more about Vader confronting Maul. You left out the example I gave about Anakin and Sidious, and I think after reading your reply that maybe didn't read what I wrote. People saying ROTS Sidious wins is exactly what is wrong with Star Wars fans. The son of Mother Talzin, he was trained by Sidious as a Sith assassin and became an incredibly skilled duelist. Maul can dodge from an explosion that even took down Mace Windu, takes on 4 Magnaguards with ease, jumps on Grievous before he can draw his lightsaber, kicks Sidious in a duel, and outclassess TPM Kenobi and Qui-Gon in their own agile fighting style, and even he had a blaster shot on his shoulder he could still outclass Komari Vosa in a duel with his speed, he could also move fast enough to be invisible to holorecordings. Ok, kenobi(who actually has outdueled him twice, pre prime), dooku, mace windu and grevious(arguably) could all outduel him alone, The only person who CLEARLY outmatched him in dueling skills so far was his old master, Darth Sidious, but even with him Maul could pick up a good fight. Force users who are that powerful usually show some sign while they are young. In the first Battlefront, Darth Vader appears only in select campaign missions and in any Imperial Galactic Conquestbattles in which the hero bonus is activated. @void_reborn: I have disagreements on Dooku's potential against him, as I had earlier with you xD. @w4nkdestroyer: Learn to read. @mcbean The comic you're referring to is Star Wars Tales #09, and the story is Resurrection. We've had disagreements/disputes recently? Yoda is still powerful enough to kick her ass, and she isn't any better than Kenobi yet Filoni says only Vader and Emperor, and we all know she is no match for Emperor too, either way that's a bullshit claim if you take it ''out of context'' , the meaning of Filoni's words is ; Ahsoka as a rebellion leader is superior than any Inquisitor and any Imperial opponent, only Vader and Emperor is capable of dealing with her in terms of Imperial opponents. By ''confrontation'' its obvious that Filoni meant a one-on-one duel, so it means that the whole arc was about the Vader vs. Maul duel, I am guessing that we would take a better duel than Ahsoka vs. Vader duel if it could happen, since SW.com states that Maul was a superior combatant than Ahsoka amongs the rebels group. He can even fight multiple jedi masters or sith at the same time, even when they are on the level of Obi Wan and Qui Gon, or Mace Windu, or Count Dooku, or Grievous, etc. Additionally, Darth Vader cannot be controlled. Suddenly, Vader was struck to his knees by the horribly powerful voice that rolled like fiery thunder through his brain. Compare this to Maul's feats who was lightning-shocked regularly by Sidious and other characters and didn't even bother (although he was also a cyborg at some point! Vader is not that much weaker than Sidious. Maul was a Dathomirian Zabrak and the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith. In new canon even more since he got buffed. Maul is a dueling legend, who easily kills most of jedi masters in 1 vs 1 battle in a bink of an eye. The two ideas don't necessarily need to be mutually exclusive, though, and Ezra going with Maul because Maul is the strongest and because Ezra wants Kanan to trust him are two ideas that can exist concurrently. Vader also has vastly better showings like surviving being trapped under a cathedral for days while wounded and tanking this kind of explosion while injured: Alright your gifs you're using to say they're evenly matched don't say that at all. The Maul vs Vader fight I'm proposing would be between 19bby and 10bby-4 share Report Save level 1 Comment deleted by user 1 year ago 1 child level 2 1 year ago Yes! It is just different opinions. While this is the only duel in which fans see Vader and Maul battling at full force, there are a couple other instances where their paths nearly crossed in canon. Vader wins after a decent fight. =). Star wars art....maybe a certain PA might be bored and paint this ;) kaydeden Gina Ciancio. Even if it is stated, it's not saying much considering there weren't a lot of padawans post-Anakin, Relooking at things thread i don't think said source exists so fair enough. Sidious not long before ROTS was having some trouble separating Maul and Savage. However they chose to not include this because it would distract from ahsoka vs vader. I wasn't arguing with you. Darth Vader VS Emperor Palpatine (Darth Vader Vol. Maul lost to Kanan he has no business fighting Vader. Thanks. Kenobi was beating maul in spite of being physically wrecked beforehand and being off balance though to be fair maul was rusty. Maul is a dueling legend, who easily kills most of jedi masters in 1 vs 1 battle in a bink of an eye. Vader is the way to go if Maul is going to be killed, but that doesn't seem to be in the works. Of course Vader feared him for good reasons.It still stands that Vader's power was very well noticelbly to Sidious as well. IIRC per legends sources yoda was using the force to sustain his life. Darth Vader had plenty of experience with surviving horrific wounds and injuries. Maul has too many advantages here. it doesnt' make sense, and i address that in another thread. As he stared at the severed appendage in his hands, a sudden flash of insight struck the Dark Lord, realization dawning like the sunrise of Bespin. Kanan agrees regardless to whom the agreement or consent is given, and his agreement doesn't even matter because the point is that Maul is the strongest. That's all, though disagreements probably is the wrong word since we didn't debate. Perhaps, if you will not be turned, little Jedi, a suitable substitute may be arranged. However, just like the TK advantage of Vader, this might still not be enough to give Maul an edge, since Ahsoka wasn't able to overpower Vader (even though she isn't adept as Maul in force jump / agility based lightsaber fight) and as well as Kenobi failed to do the same in ANH (though Kenobi isn't an aggressive fighter as Maul). Maul lost to Obi-wan and Kanan because he underestimated them and let his guard down. And per feloni, something they consider in deciding how to use Ahsoka is that at this time period the only ones who can match(pr beat) her are vader or sidious. Maul if you're just talking movies. It can be seen how Anakin's fighting speed considerably went down after he became Darth Vader. DE Sidious should win without all too much effort, his only peer is GrandMaster Luke Skywalker. One got owned by a padawan and admitted inferiority to the other opponent in question. The problem was that, as @alextheboss points out, Maul let his guard down. The fully revived version that was shooting incredibly amounts of force lighting from his hands should logically still be as skilled in Lightsaber Combat, strength, etc as what we have seen from him in the Clone Wars and ROTS, I think that is too much for the team to handle. Whether you want to accept it or not, Disney has defined the new canon as being untiered. You've also got to keep in mind that ahsoka, outside of her novel basically only appears in tcw. Yeah. When Darth vader is given a half-decent fighter at his side, the duo could take on Sidious. He thinks having the ability to amplify your speed and crushing metal(which he deems as atomizing, when it's barely disintegration) sets you apart as a higher tier Force user. StarWars.com does not say that Kanan agreed with it being the logical choice, in fact it describes Maul and Ezra being a logical choice fromm an out of universe perspective after it says Kanan agreed, it did not say Kanan agreed because of that.And it doesn't really matter whether Kanan disagrees with that idea because he obviously doesn't trust or like Maul. Maul beat Obi-Wan. Using their season 4 duel to say maul's superior is like using tpm to say kenobi was superior. dogged the book. It is all primary, and again, the Filoni statement, which I still think was tongue-in-cheek (opinion only), is not mutually exclusive of the quote on the website unless we take the quote literally, which even you can't do. Yoda was on his death bed and was living his life as a wrecked hermit. If I remember correctly, I think that is even discussed in an interview - something about Ezra being tempted to the Dark Side... You do not prove how it is factually inaccurate, and it is not proven that the two are mutually exclusive. Sidious managed to do that to Maul because his teammate isn't anything special. Darth Vader at his peak level of power and skill (think along the lines of the hallway scene from Rogue 1) is dropped into any one of the MCU films, replacing the movie’s original villain. Darth Maul is also the brother of Savage Opress and son of Mother Talzin. Ahsoka vs. Vader duel if it could happen, since SW.com states that Maul was a superior combatant than Ahsoka amongs the rebels group.". proven that the two are mutually exclusive. Do you not see how you contradict yourself? Kaynak: comicvine.com. Birçok Star Wars fanatiğine göre, bu karakterin ilk bölümde ölmesinin nedeni Darth Vader’dan daha fazla ilgi toplaması ve çok beğenilmesidir. Darth Vader en Darth Maul in een strijd op leven en dood! Sheev dies horribly as of ROTS or ROTJ. Attack Potency: Large Town level (Weaker than Anakin and pre-Mustafar Vader to some extent, but superior to both Count Dooku and Darth Maul, far more powerful than the Grand Inquisitor. The Force suddenly deciding to impart her with extraordinary abilities and thrusting her above those who are definitely her senior and better makes the least sense of all. Darth Maul N before you bring up that vader beat Maul in the next scan, he did it though a cop out move of stabbing him self in the chest, not because of skill; in fact Maul clearly had the upper hand on him throughout the entire fight and even had him on his knees. As to the "overall lack of Force users", it doesn't matter because there are plenty of strong ones left such as Kenobi, Vos, and Yoda, and I don't think it's logical to say that Yoda was on his deathbed considering that almost a decade after Rebels season 2 Luke was trained by Yoda. (Kanan literally agrees with Ezra pairing up with Maul.). t I'm making that it is odd, especially considering that Maul has been equated in Vader's class more than once, and this is per Lucas as well. If there is no picture in this collection that you like, also look at other collections of backgrounds on our site. Not once in TCW tv show or comics or novels was it ever hinted at that Ahsoka would be a Force power house. (replying to a kbro comment), "Kanan: *Sigh (nods)" <--- a nod typically implies agreement, which is exactly what yousuf said. Legends Vader that is. Whatever is published about SW from the time of their purchase and forward is all canon and all of that canon is equal canon. It's his Force speed / jump and his superior agility in duels, Vader is obviously not as adept as Maul in this department. Note it says it was going to be "more about", not "about" and it says "a lot of" the malachor arc" not the "whole' malachor arc. Dec 4, 2012 - A Nightbrother from Dathomir, Maul was the first Sith apprentice of Sidious. Vader vs Ahsoka was the primary conflict of the episode, maul dying was a part of the episode, ti was not the main conflict of the episode. I don't want to lowball here, but Vader's weak durability MUST be brought up here for people to notice a clear difference. Because he wanted to turn ezra to the darkside. It doesn't have to as obi wan and quinlas vos are not potential enemies for ahsoka and feloni's answer itself was about using ahsoka cobatively. ROTJ Sidious ragdolls/one-shots each of them, and DE Sheev one-shots. Very funny. Someone did, and I think it was you. In deze hoek, met een gewicht van 100 kilo, de terreur van Tatooine, de Dark Lord van de Sith, voormalige Anakin Skywalker: DARTH VADER! Ahsoka has somehow been so greatly gifted by the Force, out of the blue. Maybe I'll tweet Filoni later and see if he answers, or maybe one of you can if you're interested. Boba Fett: 6 per cent 6. Darth Vader (2017 - 2018) Darth Vader (2017 - 2018) Vader was killed, yes KILLED by only a SPARK, a ricochet of Palpatine's lightning in it's "torture" mode. In this fight he has Dooku and Vader covering for him. Because they knew Maul was the strongest there. Vader just could not keep up with Luke who was young, fast and acrobatic. With all that being said I think that ROTS and by implication ROTJ Sidious is too strong. ), Going even further, that statement is not mutually exclusive from Kanan trusting Ezra. Eight years is a long time for a Jedi Master to be on their deathbed, especially considering that they were training a Jedi not long before dying regardless of anyone's perceptions about said Jedi master's combative abilities. While it's very close, I can't see the team winning unless Dooku somehow holds Sidious off in sabers while Vader pummels him and Maul runs interference, and that means Dooku would have to pull off a feat (defending his disadvantaged - Vader - or inferior - Maul - teammates so they can retaliate) that even Mace, Sidious' equal in sabers and virtual equal in the Force, couldn't do. Vader is slower than maul but he's shown to be able to compensate vs folks in maul's speed class in luke and ahsoka. Classic Star Wars battle...Side note Darth Maul is from the clone wars cartoon not the clone of Maul that Vader fought in the comic. There was a lot of thought given to taking him out there because a lot of the Malachor arc, originally, was more about Vader confronting Maul and it was going to be a story about that.". Read the movie novelization and other books. Lifting>>>dragging, Luke was enraged vs a conflicted vader. I would like to mention what Vader can do and what Maul can do. I'd advise even you shouldn't waste time with him. Which is fine and all but @erkan12's claim that it was going to be the main conflict of the epsiode is baseless and is derived by taking feloni's words out of context. Darth Sidious Wallpaper Looking for the best Darth Sidious Wallpaper? Vader wins it, He has more skill with his force abilities and he is capable of both being calm in a fight or letting lose anger with explosive results.If this was a straight up Sword fight, Maul wins it hands down. Within three years, he had killed them all. The most powerful Sith in the entire history of the Order said that Maul was more than a match for the Jedi. They decided that was too "fan-servicey.". The pilots struggled vainly to ignore the Dark Lord's... discomfort. It makes more sense the more I think about it. alextheboss responded with an appropriately expressive illustration, or at least one that I related to. Vote on this ster Wars poll: Darth Maul Vs Qui-Gon of Darth Vader Vs Obi-Wan? But being "only" two leaves the danger of getting somehow seperated by him, where one of them could get ragdolled. help us create more content! Kanan let ezra go with maul because EZRA wanted to go with maul because Maul had earned EZRA's trust. It is stated that Maul was better than Obi Wan as well as Qui Gon, and in the novel, Qui Gon says it's not just his age. In Ep6 Luke clearly blitz him in the end of their fight, simply attacking too fast for Vader to respond, all he could do is block and defend himself. Darth Malgus vs Darth Vader vs Darth Maul. It doesn't matter which interpretation is used because in any option the franchise has now said that Maul is the strongest and is therefore the logical choice. I am siding with Maul, but Vader obviously can win. Though he supposedly died on Naboo at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he resurfaced years later, having survived through his sheer hatred. good find! Take it as it is. "Any" in the "time period", and the more I think about the comment, the more I think that Filoni wasn't paying attention to what he was saying. Droïden en Jawa’s! We've got 63+ great wallpaper images hand-picked by our users. That's just another stomp for Maul here. `` could '' means they would have beaten an 80 year old Yoda would have beaten an 80 year Yoda. 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